From Law Books to Swatch Books: Casey & Rainey’s Design Journey

Casey: 00:00:32

Hi, I'm Casey.

Rainey: 00:00:33

And I'm Rainey. Welcome to the Reframing Design podcast. If you're a new designer, a seasoned designer, a homeowner, or a home enthusiast, you are in the right place.

Casey: 00:00:44

We are going to talk about all things design. Our stories, our opinions, our experiences, and we're probably going to chase a few rabbits down a few rabbit holes.

But one thing we can guarantee, we will not talk about politics.

Rainey: 00:00:58

So I was thinking about it this morning and I was. I have spent 25 years making gorgeous homes for clients and really thinking about how they live and creating a home that's specially theirs.

And I've lived in a lot of beautiful homes. Don't get me wrong, super thankful. But in May of last year, we moved into really a home that is exactly who Tom and I are.

And it has a lot of space and indoor space and outdoor space.

And I've always wanted to throw like this party and have just a whole bunch of people at my house and have like the, you know, my dream party and my favorite holiday is Valentine's Day. So I am throwing my first huge girl party at my house for Galentine's. And so that's a win. I've been working on all sorts of things.

Casey: 00:01:58

Spoiler alert. I get to go to the party. So I'm really, that's.

Rainey: 00:02:03

I'm so excited. I mean, like personalized party favors, like the whole thing.

Casey: 00:02:09

So you're going all in?

Rainey: 00:02:10

I'm going all in.

Casey: 00:02:11

Well, even just your disco, silent disco party was in your kitchen. I mean, so like your house is absolutely family friendly and everybody can come around, but it's so entertaining.

Rainey: 00:02:21

Yes, that's the point. So is yours with the indoor out, inside out kind of vibe, your house is so stunning as well. But I'm very excited about that. So that's a win for me.

Casey: 00:02:31

I love that win.

Rainey: 00:02:32

Yeah. How about you?

Casey: 00:02:35

So I, my win is I just came back from a great weekend with both getting to see and celebrate. My mother and Matt went with me and we had a ball, but then we tied it into helping out a client.

A friend, her husband has a really cool boutique hotel in San Clemente. It's been open for 10 years and it's just, you know, needs a little something something.

When it originated, it was a surf hotel, so they kind of went all in for the, you know, themed vibe rooms and stuff. And they're trying to now cater to a different demographic and maybe not quite so surf related. And so that was really fun to do a consult with them.

Nomad Hotel in San really cool. And so that was a win because it was just so fun to be able to do both.

And it's always fun because you're in those places anyway, so it's like, what would I do? And it's the first time to get to play with a boutique hotel.

Rainey: 00:03:26

That's exciting. I can't wait to see the befores and afters. I've seen some of the befores, and Cool. While it's cool.

Casey: 00:03:33

Super cool. A lot of color. And so we're just taking it down and not your five.

Rainey: 00:03:38

So I can't wait to see what you do with that. That's a great win about your mom. I was so glad that you got to go see her for her birthday. She is hands down our biggest cheerleader, I think.

Casey: 00:03:50

Hands down.

Rainey: 00:03:51

And one of the things that she gave us is the.

Casey: 00:03:54

The cupcake.

Rainey: 00:03:55

The little. The little crystal cupcake that we always put on our set. So thank you, Mama. Mona.

Casey: 00:04:01

I know. Thank you, mama.

Rainey: 00:04:02

She's awesome. She's amazing.

Casey: 00:04:03

She's awesome.

Rainey: 00:04:04

So thank you so much for tuning. And we've had a little bit of feedback from some people, and so because of that, we're doing something new and kind of cool.

This was your brainchild, so you want to share what we're doing.

Casey: 00:04:20

I can't even take credit. My niece actually thought. Because, of course, everybody who can watch this can't see how beautiful this painting is behind us.

So people have asked, you know, what am I? What's above the shoulders kind of thing.

And so my niece had an idea that maybe putting different local artists behind us in every episode would be kind of fun and showcase the art as well as just having something different for you guys to look at. And so thank you, Amelia, for that. And this first one is a friend of mine, a dear friend.

We've known each other since our kids were tiny, and she's been painting for years, but she's really taken it up a notch in the last few and has won awards.

Her name is Pam Fairworn, and this one is from when the kids were little from Go Texan Day, which all of these kids are basically now in college, so it's very special. She can be followed at Pam Fairworn art on Instagram, and then she's also at the Rossi Turnbull Studio in Sawyer Yards.

Rainey: 00:05:21

So how do you spell her last name?

Casey: 00:05:23

F, E, R. W, O, R, N. Thank you for asking.

Rainey: 00:05:26

Yeah. So I would spend half a day trying to figure out this felt like.

Casey: 00:05:31

That would be me I know. And she's. They're Canadian, so I always feel like I'm gonna mess it up, even though it's. But there's like a different, you know, how they pronounce.

How they pronounce, so. But she's fantastic. She does watercolor. She does acrylic. And so anyways.

Rainey: 00:05:44

Well, it is beautiful, and I think it's so timely because we're about to go into rodeo season here in Houston, and everything is going to be boots and denim, and we do not ride our horses to work, in case people who are listening in other parts of the world wanna know.

Casey: 00:06:00

But during that time, they are riding horses into town. And if you have never witnessed rodeo and them coming in and camping along the way, it's special something. It really is. It really is.

Rainey: 00:06:12

And I think when once somebody joins the trail ride, they do it for like, the rest of their life. Right. It's like a whole thing gets in their blood and they just do it every year.

Casey: 00:06:21

Oh, I never even thought about that.

Rainey: 00:06:22

Rain or shine.

Casey: 00:06:23

Really special.

Rainey: 00:06:24

Yep.

Casey: 00:06:25

And then they end at the. At the marathon or the 10k downtown. So it's cool.

Rainey: 00:06:28

Exactly. Are you running this year?

Casey: 00:06:31

I don't know if I can. We'll see. But I'd like to.

Rainey: 00:06:33

Still nursing little. That little hitch. And your giddy.

Casey: 00:06:36

Catching my giddy up.

Rainey: 00:06:38

So one other thing that people have asked us a lot about is how. How we met, what our careers have been, what made us start a podcast. When we started a podcast, just like they wanted to know more about our stories.

And I think we sort of touched on that in the first episode, but I don't think we really went there hard. And so we talked about maybe doing that for this episode.

Casey: 00:07:04

It'd be kind of fun. Just show where we come from in our different trails to get here as we're on the. I like it, but you've said it so many times, like, we're very. We.

Our paths were very different, but now we're in this really lovely alignment in different ways. So it's kind of cool. Be cool to hear really, how I know the law stuff, but there's a whole chunk in between that.

Rainey: 00:07:24

In between those things.

Casey: 00:07:25

Yeah.

Rainey: 00:07:26

So do you want to start?

Casey: 00:07:27

Well, no, you. You start.

Rainey: 00:07:29

No, you start. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's. How about. Let's row Shambo and see who starts. You ready?

Casey: 00:07:34

Love it. Ready?

Rainey: 00:07:35

Okay. Ready? One, two, three. Oh.

Casey: 00:07:39

Oh. Two out of three or no? One. Okay, you go.

Rainey: 00:07:43

You want to do two out of three? I smashed your scissors. I wanted you to be paper. Okay, okay, so I'll start. I did go.

I was on track to do a law career and did an about face when my husband proposed to me when I was 17 because he was so worried that I'd go off to Baylor and meet, yeah, meet someone else. So as I like to say, like Beyonce. He. I told him if he liked it, he had to put a ring on it. And he did.

And so at the ripe old age of 18 and 22, we got married. And then I was still in college at HBU Houston Baptist University here in Houston, which is now hcu.

They changed their name to be, I guess more inclusive. And so finished my degree. But before I did, we had a surprise and I was pregnant with Ms. Paige.

And so at 20 I had Paige and then graduated from college at 21 and I got an education degree. You double majored there, so you got two degrees. And mine was education and history and my specialization was in American history.

So I'm a huge history buff. That's why you'll find me at any museum or anything like that. I mean I just love anything history. And had an amazing professor, Dr.

Tucker, who just really inspired me and she was such a lovely, lovely human being and I really wanted to learn as much from her as I possibly could. So I took as many classes as I could from her and ended up with that second degree. So then had kiddos, you know, as we do.

I did a couple of part time jobs along the way. We had to homeschool Paige for a short period of time because she is our oldest, is like mensa.

Like she's incredibly intelligent and while that sounds like fun, it's a challenge. And it was even more of a challenge before we had things like computers and tablets and all of those things.

So when we tried to put her in school, they wanted to move her ahead two years and we were like, we can't do that. So we. I homeschooled for a little while, then I taught like in a homeschool co op for a little while.

Then we moved into our home in Katy and people started coming over and asking who designed your house? And I didn't understand what that meant. Right. We talked about before, we didn't have hgtv, we didn't have all of those things.

And so I didn't even know about interior designers. I don't even think I knew about the concept.

Maybe I had a light idea, but so I started helping friends and then I was like, okay, this is taking a lot of time. I Think I'm going to charge $20 an hour.

And that's where I started and copied all the receipts and gave all the receipts and, you know, all of those things. I know. And in between that time, sort of a. This is sort of a back and forth timeline. But my girls were going to. Into junior high.

I have three girls right in a row. They're all two years apart. So they were going. Starting their junior high scene and I decided to go teach on their campus.

And the reason I did that is because junior high is so hard for girls, I think. And I think it was both a blessing and a curse. Right. To have your mom on campus.

Casey: 00:11:33

God, I bet. Yeah, it was.

Rainey: 00:11:36

Yeah. And so I opened two different schools in a school district here in Houston and taught Texas history. And so that was a lot of fun.

I did not teach the traditional way. Like you read through textbooks and answer questions and memorize maps and facts. We didn't do that.

We had like clay and we made symbols of the Alamo and we described why they were symbolic. Or we took one side of an argument and prepared overnight.

And then when they came back to class, they actually were assigned the opposite point of view and had to argue from the opposite point of view. Or we pretended that we were classroom in Mexico when we talked about the Alamo. And how would we retell the story differently?

And so that is how I taught school. Because I was so bored by history going through school until I got to college. And it was taught in a way that was so meaningful.

And so we didn't use textbooks in my classroom.

Casey: 00:12:40

So truly creating a completely different environment. Like just that creator in you is in you.

Rainey: 00:12:46

Exactly.

Casey: 00:12:46

But I'd be so curious how many students you saved them from thinking they weren't good at something because they didn't learn it through a textbook and they learned it with their hands in this other way.

Rainey: 00:12:57

That would be all the modalities so.

Casey: 00:12:59

Special that you did it that way because people weren't doing that kinesthetic.

Rainey: 00:13:05

Yes.

Casey: 00:13:05

Way of teaching. That's why I was.

Rainey: 00:13:08

Is that your modality?

Casey: 00:13:09

That is. So I would ditch class because I didn't have a teacher like that. So I would. Anyways.

Rainey: 00:13:14

They didn't know what to do with me. Even at this sort of advanced district.

They really didn't know exactly what to do with me because I didn't always have tests that were handwritten and scored. We just did things differently.

And so I had the gifted and talented kids, which also included the kiddos with Asperger's And I just loved them to pieces. And if a student was completely bored and uninterested in what we were talking about, I would allow them to do something different.

We would just have to agree on a presentation type thing for the class. And so my, my class was different. People were allowed to stand in my class because some students learn by walking around.

They could have gum in my class as long as it didn't end up under the desk. And so the last day of school, right, all the teachers are scraping gum off the bottom of their desks.

I didn't have that problem because I just let the kids, you know, I never referred anybody for discipline. And so that was just sort of taking a difference in a creativity, like you said, into a different space. I loved teaching school. I loved the kiddos.

And every once in a while I'll still hear from one of them on social media or they'll send me a message and just tell me how much they appreciated what I did. And so.

Casey: 00:14:39

Well, you refrained the entire experience for them and then I did. And it bleeds into how you are with your clients as well, that mutual respect.

And it doesn't, you know, it's just the respect, the process and how it works for each individual. It's how you bring it here. Yeah.

Rainey: 00:14:55

And how they're hearing things. Right. Not how you mean for them to be heard, but how are they hearing things, perceptions. And I really watch for body language and cues a lot.

I'm very in tune to that because I want for people to feel included, understood, heard, those sorts of things. But I love what I did. And I left the classroom and went, well, I made the decision.

My husband had worked at a sort of dot com type company in Austin, so he was going back and forth between Houston and Austin at the time. And they decided to not go to the second part or the second funding of the company. So he got a severance.

ded that summer, which was in: 2008

And I didn't know it at the time, but what I was doing was building this network and this knowledge base and a vendor base. And so when I decided to go full time, it was seamless, like it was all there.

Casey: 00:16:07

Right.

Rainey: 00:16:07

And I really didn't do that on purpose. And I had a client that just said, I want you to do this entire project for me, the timing of it, it's like the universe.

Let Me know, it was the right time. And so I was working on the floor of my home office and our garage became our receiving place. And I cannot. I wish I had a picture of that garage.

Actually. It was. It was something. It was. I'm just going to tell you what that something is. It was like you didn't want to open the garage door, right?

And it wasn't that. It was junk. These are precious things stacked up because I didn't know about commercial receivers. I didn't know about how all of that worked.

And so I was receiving stuff at my home. And eventually it became very clear that that was no longer doable.

You know, when it started going from the garage into the house, it's like, oh, that's. This isn't doable anymore.

Casey: 00:17:14

This doesn't have the teeth it used to.

Rainey: 00:17:16

Exactly, exactly. So it was a Sunday afternoon. I remember it very clear clearly. And I decided that it was time to get like a space. I don't know.

Didn't know exactly what that meant, but a space. And I happened to Google online and. And found the Houston Design Center. Never knew that the Houston Design center existed.

Contacted the name of the person that was on the listing, the agent that was on the listing, and he said, I'll meet you there. I have a. I have a space I'd like to show you. And I think the next day, that Monday, we signed on a little bitty.

It was less than 1,000 square feet space. And that sort of began. That was. You know, there are different times in your career that you can look and you can go. That was a game changer.

So I know you know what I'm talking about. That was a game changer. When then people came to. I didn't have to meet them at their home or out in vendor showrooms.

They were able to come to my studio. And there's something that comes with that. So that was a game changer for me.

And right after that, I got just this ginormous, Ginormous project down on the coast. And that project won every award in the show homes that. The showcase that year. We just won everything.

And then that began sort of a stint of me being down on the Houston Intercoastal designing sort of coastal homes. Right. And that was a game changer again. And then we were buying so much furniture. Casey. At this time, I knew about commercial receivers.

I knew about how all that worked. And so I decided, I'm buying so much furniture, I should have a furniture showroom. Right.

And so in the Houston Design center there was a 5,000 square foot space that came available, and we opened our own furniture showroom.

And about two years later, Covid, I even hate saying the word happened, but I did not love the furniture business for a lot of reasons, which I will not bore anybody with. But I just decided that that was not for me. It just wasn't for me. So we made it through Covid. Where lead times.

Before COVID we would order a sofa and we'd get it in six weeks, eight weeks, maybe 12. But during COVID the lead time went all the way to a year. And so it was awful.

And even though you told people it was gonna be a year, after about six months, they started getting wound up. And you're like, well, right here. We wrote this on your invoice that you signed. It's gonna be a year. We're at six months.

So I was so ready to get out of that business. Glad I tried it. I learned so much about the furniture world.

Casey: 00:20:20

And you guys had such a beautiful showroom. Let's just.

Rainey: 00:20:22

Sweet.

Casey: 00:20:23

And you rebranded after. Because it was Off White, right? Is that the original name? Because that's when I.

Rainey: 00:20:28

It was Off White. And now I think Off White is a rapper. I think it's a rapper, which. It's a great name. It was Off White. And then we went to RR Home in the.

Just in the journey of trying to figure out the branding and how it all fit together, also understanding sort of some business and tax ramifications of a business. I mean, there's so much about owning a business that people don't talk about. Am I right?

Casey: 00:20:58

You are just singing, preaching to the choir right now on that one. Because there are all the ins and outs. And at the time. And I don't mean. But your husband and daughter were both there as well.

So this was truly a family business. A family business.

Rainey: 00:21:15

Yeah. That was my older daughter. She was kind of between jobs and was there for a while. And I'm glad that you said that, because my husband.

Another major point in my career, sort of a game changer, is before we opened the furniture showroom, I was designing these beautiful spaces, right? These beautiful remodels, these beautiful spaces and delivering. Here's your design. Right? Here's all the things.

And of course, I was committed to the journey with the clients as they went through this.

And a contractor would maybe leave with their money or not show up for six weeks at a time or use inferior products or decide that they were the designer and completely make design decisions without consulting me or the homeowner.

And so I would watch these projects that had so much hope and so much good stuff just literally be flushed down the toilet and end up just in the dumps. Right? And as we all know, this is part of the human condition. If a project goes bad, everybody goes down with it.

It doesn't matter if you were culpable or not. Right? Everybody goes down. Good work. I just said something's got to change.

I am going to start finding contractors, and I am going to start being the general contractor on these projects. I'm going to figure it out again.

Another major pivotal point in my career when I did that, and people saw somebody on site every day and it was clean and it ran the way it was supposed to, and the design happened the way it was supposed to and not perfect. I mean, there's nothing about remodel that's perfect. Right? Can we be real?

Casey: 00:23:08

Can we just. There's not gonna. It's not.

Rainey: 00:23:10

It's not. But it was awesome, and the clients loved it.

So business exploded to the point where my husband made the decision to leave his career, and now he runs our remodeling crews and takes care of the back office. I have to tell you, one of the things that I was. I mean, I just literally sucked at, and that was billing.

I would go months without billing anybody a single dime because it wasn't about the money for me. It was about the journey and the process of design. And my husband would go, the account is like. Like, really low. So. Oh, my God. Oh, God. Oh, my God.

And I would sit down and just try my best. I had no PO system, no back anything. I'm sure with as organized as you are, you probably did from the very beginning. Is that a no?

Casey: 00:24:02

Oh, my gosh. It's the biggest no ever. But, yeah, okay. Yeah, you'll get.

Rainey: 00:24:05

You'll get into that.

Casey: 00:24:06

Yeah. But to that point, I can't even. And then you're trying to.

Rainey: 00:24:09

Yeah, you're trying to remember all the things and all the pricing, and I would send out these invoices and then just hope that somebody paid quickly. I talked about that more in our mentor. In our mentor podcast.

But with him on board, taking care of that back office stuff and setting up a PO system and running our cruise, it really has allowed for a great thing. We, during the furniture showroom phase, ended up with a big staff, lots of employees. Turns out that's not for me either.

I'm better with a smaller team. And so we currently have Tom running the cruise still. I'M principal of the firm. Reagan is our middle daughter. She's a degreed interior designer.

Super talented. She's here. And then Connor, who is a designer who loves back office and all of the details. So he runs our operations side as well.

Casey: 00:25:10

If we could all have a Connor.

Rainey: 00:25:12

If we could all have a Connor. And then of course, I have Holly on our team who runs our social media. Nobody would have anything on our social media without Holly.

And when I hired her, I said, you're gonna have to really stay on me for what it is you want and need. And she also pressed me to start doing videos, which I started doing last year. Super uncomfortable. Super.

Don't claim to be good at it, but on site we film what's actually going on there. And we've gotten a great response from that because people like to see the bts.

Casey: 00:25:48

I love to see the B. Yes. The pictures are great, but I think people are ready for. How did you get the final picture?

Rainey: 00:25:55

Exactly.

Casey: 00:25:55

Your videos have been. I love watching them. I get inspired.

Rainey: 00:25:58

You're sweet for the.

Casey: 00:26:00

No, I'm serious. Like, I love the walkthroughs of anything.

Because you don't know why that divider wall was put in, like, just certain spaces that you maybe weren't planning on or whatever you're really honest about and sharing. And there are always opportunities for creativity when there's a. Like, oh, crap, we didn't plan for that.

Rainey: 00:26:17

Right.

Casey: 00:26:17

How do we make it? And I love how you point that stuff out.

Rainey: 00:26:20

Exactly. And so sometimes we really don't know what we're going to do.

We have to call in the structural engineer and the electrician and the plumber and we have to figure something out. But that's also the fun part for me. And so then that brings me to meeting you. There was a group of.

Well, actually, Lindsay Root, who is part of, I believe, the marketing team. I'm not sure what her official title is now at Ferguson Enterprises, we'd be.

Casey: 00:26:49

Remiss to not point out she's the president of our Badass Bitches Lunch club.

Rainey: 00:26:54

Yes. So she put together a group of. There's nine of us. Most of us are designers, but there's a couple of industry partners.

And we are the Badass Designer Lunch Bitches. And we meet. We try to meet once a month or if somebody. We just were all at a funeral of one of our dear friends. One of the members dads passed away.

So we went there. We support each other. We have a group text. So if you need to, you know, you're like, I need to know where to supply a butcher block for an island.

And we send out the all call and somebody always knows. How do you do this? What does your latest contract look like?

You know, I have a client that's doing this with me and it's feeling not the way I think it should. How should I handle it?

Casey: 00:27:41

How do I throw that client into junk mail? Right. How do I. Recent experience.

Rainey: 00:27:46

Yeah. How do I put that in spam?

And so we've been super, super supportive of each other, which I think is not always true in the design industry across the board. And. But for us, it's been different.

Casey: 00:28:02

Our community is different.

Rainey: 00:28:03

It's been different.

Casey: 00:28:04

And we were asked recently, like, even on the bus. And that's a whole different story. But they were saying, oh, are you guys competitors? Because it was in Mexico myself, which Jennifer Kizzy.

And they were asking and we're like, no, not we're friends in community, but.

Rainey: 00:28:20

And even refer clients if they're not a good fit. It's like, no, but please go here.

Casey: 00:28:24

Yes. And this person's fantastic.

Rainey: 00:28:27

Is amazing for you.

Casey: 00:28:28

Yeah. So I think we don't have that. And maybe because Houston is such. There's just such a robust clientele here that there's plenty of work.

And to point out the Texas versus a lot of other things. And I'm not from Texas, so it's not that.

But you said you started becoming your own GC because you couldn't find it and you can't do that in most states. Right, but we are the wild wild west over here. And you can become a general contract.

You can GC projects without being licensed and all of that stuff.

Rainey: 00:28:55

I highly suggest that you are. Are highly insured when you do that.

Casey: 00:28:59

Make sure there's insurance and that people you're bringing in your trades are insured as well and are licensed, especially electricians, so on. But.

Rainey: 00:29:06

And you have plans, all of those things.

Casey: 00:29:09

Yeah, but you can. Yeah, it doesn't happen everywhere that you can kind of take that on. So it's exciting.

Rainey: 00:29:16

We're lucky here for that. Yeah. So as part of the bitches, I. You have a studio here in the design center too. And we sort of were friendly and went, hey, hi, how are you?

And I, I always. From the second I met you, your energy was infectious. And I am reminded of the book and I forget who the author is.

Forgive me, I think it might be Joyce, but it's called Basement People and Balcony People. And the gist is that every single person you interact with in this world.

I don't care if it's the person checking out your groceries at the grocery store or if it's a client or it's your spouse. Every person that you interact with, you leave feeling better about life or worse about life.

You cannot feel the same because we are live beings interacting. And every single time I interacted with you, I felt better about life. And that is still true to this day. Even when you and I. No, even.

Even when you and I are not at our best. And yesterday, you know, prepping for podcast, you, you had taken some medication that.

Casey: 00:30:29

Was, I don't know, I was roofied. I'd like everybody to know. It was basically like being roofied. And I know because that happened. But that's a whole nother podcast. It was so sad.

And poor Rainy was like, what else can I help you do? Because you're a shit show. You pull yourself together, sister. And I'm like, I just said, I don't know what happened.

Rainey: 00:30:45

I just never seen you like that before. Now me, I've been like that. You've seen that and you're like, she's gonna get it together, she'll be fine. But you, I was like, oh, no.

It was still a great meeting and still a balcony person. And so when I had the idea that I knew, I mean, when we engage with clients, I think a lot of people don't know. It's for like a year and a half.

So it's a really long life cycle of a project, sometimes longer.

Casey: 00:31:15

Yeah, yeah.

Rainey: 00:31:15

We're at three years on the Colorado project. And so I started thinking, as a 53 year old woman, how long do you engage people where you're committing to A year, year and a half or three years.

And so started thinking about what would be next. And you and I have talked about this. It is shocking how much we know and have learned over our decades in this industry.

And so I met with you and just said, what if we did something and we talked to some people that are way smarter than we are and.

Casey: 00:31:54

Truth Works, let's just bring them in at Truth Works.

Rainey: 00:31:57

Michael Yoder at Truthworks.

Casey: 00:31:58

Oh my God, McKenna, that whole crew. Thank you guys.

Rainey: 00:32:01

All of them. And the idea was that we could do a podcast together.

And really it's complimentary because I'm a little more straight laced in all of the things and you're so much more creative and free spirited. And we've gotten a lot of great feedback about sort of what we bring. And so that's how we're here. That's the story that brought me here. So.

And I'm so glad. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. So that is so nice.

Casey: 00:32:33

The feedback has been so fun because. And it's nice. You said yours was straight laced and mine's more creative. I heard. Wonderful. You know, Rainy is so well spoken. Rainy has such poise.

You can tell that she would have been a lawyer and all these things. And then. And my favorite feedback that I got was that I was methy and I said messy. I thought it was a lisp.

And my brother doesn't lisp, but thank you, Cory. He said, no, methy. Like you're just like all on meth and touching your hair. I burst out laughing.

But it led to a wonderful conversation with him, which is you can only be my supporter. But it's true. Because you are so comfortable and competent in your chair. And this is not. Yeah. So.

Rainey: 00:33:16

And I see it. I see you differently than you see yourself.

Casey: 00:33:19

So funny.

Rainey: 00:33:20

And you see me differently than I see myself. Yeah. And as our team has told us, we're always going to be our biggest critics. Right. And there's something that's good about that.

I think we are yin and yang. The yin and yang. Yep. That's exactly right. So I can't wait. I know, I know bits and pieces of your story, but I've never heard you tell it.

Sort of from the beginning, soup to nuts.

Casey: 00:33:43

Well, okay, wait, no. I might have a question or two for you, though. There's grandchildren in there.

Rainey: 00:33:48

Oh, yeah. Got those grandchildren. My three favorite people in the world. And I have 11 year old granddaughter Emerson and then twin grandsons Asa and Shepherd.

And they're the light of my life interest. Yeah.

Casey: 00:34:02

Yeah. And you're such a. They call you what again?

Rainey: 00:34:05

You know, I love to say it. They call me glammy.

Casey: 00:34:08

I mean.

Rainey: 00:34:09

No, they call me glammy.

Casey: 00:34:10

So good. Don't you? Glam.

Rainey: 00:34:12

When they're being toots, they'll go glommy. And I'm like, I don't know. A glommy that buys you great things and has fun with you. So they're like, okay, okay, okay.

Casey: 00:34:21

So, yeah, I love that. Okay.

Rainey: 00:34:24

Yeah. So grandkids were worse. We're splashed in there. And, you know, we're never done being mom. Yeah. And then grandmother and wife along the way.

So tell us all about you.

Casey: 00:34:38

Okay. So grew up in. Was born in Phoenix. Grew up there. My parents were divorced, but I had, you know, great relationship with both sides. But saying that.

That you Know, my dad was in construction. He was a sheet metal worker for years.

So I watched him, you know, up at dark, getting, you know, and in Phoenix, that's not an easy thing to be doing. He followed my grandpa in that, in that journey, in his footsteps. But.

And then my mom, being a single mom, she did, you know, she had to do what she could. And she was an entrepreneurial spirit. My God, that woman had all kinds of businesses.

So in order for us to really live in places that she felt comfortable with us in, she would move us around quite a bit. She'd find a place which is just dodgy as all hell and then redo it and sold a couple like that, like literally flipped houses.

And then one of my favorites was that she. There was a house, we rented a house for a small time that was about to get torn down. And it was the most beautiful house I'd ever lived in.

Rainey: 00:35:44

And where was this?

Casey: 00:35:44

It was in Phoenix. It was a two story red brick with a balcony. It was totally colonial, gorgeous. Had stairs, for goodness sakes. And not like up to an apartment.

It was like stairs, you know. And we shared it with another family, her best friend and their two. Her two kids, Tony and Natalie and then Corey and myself.

And they had a pool and it was the house I was like, this is what I want to be in forever, you know, so it just allowed for that next, you know, what you can envision as a kid. And then my grandparents had a gorgeous home. So, you know, just getting to see that, because that wasn't necessarily what we always had.

But when we left there, because it got torn down, my mom needed a place for us to land.

And so there was a house that was vacant and she went to the city, it's before computers, and found out who owned it, got in touch with them, said, I can reduce rent, fix up your place, I'll do X, Y and Z for it, landscape and all this stuff. And she was just crafty as hell and she made it beautiful. And we had a great time there too.

And then it was time and we loaded up a moving van and her and I moved to San Diego. She made the leap and so we moved, headed, headed to California. And so that was a whole journey in all of itself.

So when I ultimately graduated from high school, I was living with my dad at the time. I had gotten in a heap of trouble in San Diego with my mom and just she was at her voice in and I think I was probably ready for some structure.

My dad was very structured. He and my Stepmom had a beautiful home. It was just a little bit different life.

And so after just messing up for the very last time, getting caught shoplifting, which, you know, whatever, I got sent to my dad's for the. For my senior year, which is, you know, a whole different thing. I went to five different high schools, so this was my final.

So each one I sort of reinvented myself, right? I was like. I even changed the way I spelled my name. I just. I had, like, kept finding pieces of myself that I maybe wasn't as fond of.

And so I'd be like, well, maybe this will be more, you know, popular to people if I am more like this, Like. So I kind of chameleon myself for a while.

And it worked out great because then I met so many different people and did really come ultimately come to find out who I'm comfortable in being, but also who I want to be around. And that's pretty much everybody. Every. It was so cliquey then, right? So I kind of was like, you.

Rainey: 00:38:12

Fit in every single group.

Casey: 00:38:13

Every single group. So we call Matt and I call it Misfit island, but.

But it's kind of who we, you know, so found that out and moved back after graduating back to San Diego. And something that happened during that time, my parents ultimately separated my dad and my stepmom. And my stepmom had. She was a wonderful designer.

She didn't do it by trade, but she had great taste. And she was moving out, so, wow, that was tough.

And she had asked the day before, she told me what was happening the day before or two days before, maybe my dad never heading back to San Diego.

And she said that with me taking all the furniture, can you just kind of help me rearrange and make it not so hard when your dad gets home from work today? And I still remember that feeling to this day of, like, what'd that feel like? And being a fixer, right? Like, do it, let's do it, whatever.

And I still don't remember what my dad's reaction was. To be honest. I think I might have blocked that out.

Rainey: 00:39:14

I want to hug you.

Casey: 00:39:16

Having that be something that was very impactful for me. It really taught me how everybody really needs to live in a space that is taking them into consideration and really take. It's their home, right?

And so when coming home to whatever that home looks like can be beautiful or it can be devastating. So, you know, it took me until many years later when I was with working with coaching and kind of deciding what my ideal client Was.

And a lot of times it tends to be separated or newly divorced fathers with children and all this. And it kind of. I mean, I love all clients, do not get me wrong. But that one and it.

So I kind of went back to maybe why that one touched so strongly for me is making those space is so special for those kids when they, you know, have a upheaval of it in their home and life. And so, you know, so that was kind of this very pivotal moment.

But I didn't know what it was putting into my brain until much later because again, like we talked about, I didn't know that that existed. Interior design is a profession. It was just.

I had two moms who were really talented in their own ways, but that wasn't something they were making money doing. So. So I took a lot of hard roads after that and tried community college. That was not for me.

I failed every class except for world religion, which I'm obsessed with religions. And so that one and accounting I did well in, which is strange. And so I went spiraled.

And my mom came home one day and gave me three brochures and said, if you don't pick one of these places to go to school, you, you're out on the street in two weeks. Like that was that gnarly. And one of them was cosmetology school. One of them was dental hygienist, which to all those out there, you are my heroes.

And the other was paralegal, which I loved, but I didn't think I wanted. And so I signed up for the cosmetology school and went to beauty school and just loved it.

Had a ball, did hair for almost 10 years, traveled, got certified in all kinds of things and had a great group of friends and had a really good life with that. It's amazing for people who maybe college isn't their path, right?

Rainey: 00:41:30

And much needed. We appreciate our hairdressers.

Casey: 00:41:32

We need our hair. I need one right now, which is why I'm trying not to mess with my hair, because I'm trying to part away the gray because I didn't get into mine.

But so that part really started the journey onto then how I got here into interior design, which was client that I was working on when I was. So I moved from San Francisco, from San Diego up to San Francisco in my mid-20s. By then I had gotten into running a lot.

I had quit the unhealthy lifestyle of smoking and possibly all the other things, the other things that are unhealthy, and took up, traded one addiction for another, and started doing triathlons in my early 20s. And it was just hard to detach from being that person.

Rainey: 00:42:14

Right.

Casey: 00:42:14

My friends knew me as the partier, not the one who wakes up at 5, the one who went to bed at 5. So I had to really just again, reinvent myself. And so that meant moving away.

And so I took myself up to San Francisco and worked three jobs and did some to make that work, and then had a client ultimately, who was in design school. And so she was talking about a project that she was very upset about. And I thought it sounded amazing.

So I went that day and applied at FIDM down in the city and got in. And so then I had, like four jobs because school and that.

Rainey: 00:42:50

It's amazing, but it was fun.

Casey: 00:42:51

And then I became a nanny during it and met my husband. Well, now he's my husband.

Rainey: 00:42:56

Didn't you meet him on, like, a street corner?

Casey: 00:42:58

Met him on a street corner. Yes, I did. Left my number.

Rainey: 00:43:00

You weren't standing on the yard, just crossing the street?

Casey: 00:43:03

I was crossing the street as a nanny. Can I just put Paint the picture? At the time, I was 26, training for my first marathon. I was a nanny.

Just all of it was just not what I thought I'd be doing at 26. I thought it'd be far, far along, not pushing another baby. And, yeah, he was cute and had this je ne sais quoi and fun music playing.

And we talked on the street corner for a bit. I left my name and number on his car and went, thank God you.

Rainey: 00:43:31

Left your name and number on his car.

Casey: 00:43:32

Imagine. I mean, I would have.

Rainey: 00:43:34

You wouldn't be here.

Casey: 00:43:34

I wouldn't be here. I would be doing something in San Francisco, possibly.

And our life took a whole different turn and we moved to Hong Kong, where then I got to work for an architect in Hong Kong, which was insane. Traveled all over Asia doing that.

They did beautiful commercial work, but also learned I didn't love commercial, but at that time kind of talked about the wild, wild West. Oh, my gosh, what you can do in Hong Kong. There's no osha. I mean, no one really fill the ocean for land and then build onto.

I mean, it's absolutely shocking, but in that everything was possible, everything was. Could be done. We were putting metal in between glass for bars before. You know that.

Rainey: 00:44:22

Before that was a thing.

Casey: 00:44:23

Yeah. And so working in Hong Kong was so many learning experiences for so many reasons.

And because I was there as a girlfriend, not a wife, I didn't have a work visa, which is how I got this job with this particular builder and our architect. And he was a little hard to work for.

It's when I finally realized people can be right and left brained because he was both brilliant in business and creative. Wow, that is a really hard combination to work for. And he was a Westerner, he was American. And so the whole office stuff was Hong Kong knees.

So telling somebody in, you know, in Hong Kong to think outside the box. Not a thing.

Rainey: 00:45:06

Not a thing.

Casey: 00:45:07

Culture is very different. Obviously it's a different entity, but just in every aspect you really learn maybe why some of his frustration? Because we learn different here.

And so anyways, that was interesting and I got some great opportunities because of it. Because he couldn't hang on to western help very well because of his brain.

Rainey: 00:45:30

His whole brain explosions.

Casey: 00:45:33

And so then I went on to work for a vendor there and actually still love their stuff. Jeb. Really beautiful things. So Matt and I ended up moving from there to Singapore.

I was pregnant with Josh and I still wanted to work because I've worked since I was 18. And so found a designer there to work for. And she's actually a Dallas designer, big time.

Keaton Interiors is hers and she had, you know, she was there with her husband's company. So I started with her and she was more decor. And I'd never done that. I'd never been around that. I didn't know what a 200 pillow, $200 pillow was.

All of that stuff was just not ever in my. Now you do now I know. I think it's right, but I know. But so then we learned.

I learned all about textiles and oh my gosh, Jim Thompson, Dongia, all these insane, insane textile companies. Textile companies in Thailand and all these places. So I travel there and Matt and I traveled so much anyway, so we'd go and we'd really see it all.

And so that just really saturated my brain for that softer side. But so then when we came, yeah, we ultimately moved to Texas, which it was hard. He's California guy or at least west Coast. Myself is as well.

So we got to Texas, we went to Dallas for long enough to just have a baby. Then we were only there seven months and came here and from there I started seeing, you know, Cassandra brand interiors.

So small, as small as possible. A friend's front door, picking like paint collars.

Rainey: 00:47:01

You have to always say whenever you tell that story, you say I was out there sweating my balls off in July.

Casey: 00:47:07

Sweating balls, mosquitoes, doing this and like.

Rainey: 00:47:10

Picking a paint color.

Casey: 00:47:11

Oh my God, I Was just in Hong Kong on a 30 foot, you know, elevator, trying to figure out, you know, autocads in the floor plan. And now I'm doing this. Yeah, but we do what we gotta do. I learned from both all my parents. They. You work. So started real small and had the babies.

And so they would. They learned what high fashion home was very early. We would go pick. That was when it was almost only fabric.

Rainey: 00:47:35

Yeah. Four stories of fabric.

Casey: 00:47:37

Four stories of fabulousness, really, because it's such a good. It is a great resource here.

Rainey: 00:47:41

It really is.

Casey: 00:47:42

But like you, I started. I was sa. I saved all my receipts in a little monogrammed.

Rainey: 00:47:49

Yep.

Casey: 00:47:49

You know, envelope. And then would be like billing. Just so nervous to send my hours to people. And because ultimately somebody would balk.

I charge it all at the front end.

Rainey: 00:48:00

And then how much did you start charging an hour?

Casey: 00:48:02

35 an hour.

Rainey: 00:48:03

Oh, you were big.

Casey: 00:48:04

I was kind of a big, huge. Kind of a big, huge deal. And. But then it kind of crept up, right.

And then when I got to 75, I think when I stopped doing hair, I was charging 100 for a haircut. So I hadn't even got enough to that haircut level. But I was getting there. But it just took.

And I didn't know a lot of people, and I asked people how they were doing it, and we didn't get a lot of answers. I didn't. I'm not from here. And, you know, Houston is very. People know each other and so they kind of. It's sort of hard to break in sometimes.

And Nice, nice people, but they do stick, you know, so it was hard to kind of be that person who was neat, I was needy, I needed clients, I needed help. And I didn't know how to be that person. So it took me longer. Probably I should have asked more questions. I really wish I had.

But ultimately it led me to where I am. And so we flooded during Harvey. You know, fast forward all these years, and business got much busier.

Kids went to school, and I started charging 150 an hour, whatever. But then Harvey hit and we flooded as well as our entire area. And so in the midst of that, I had. I forget how many houses.

I counted maybe 35 houses or something I was helping with as well as putting our own back together during that next year and a half. And I was burnt. And I, you know, and like you were saying, I had an office out of my house and so schlepping tile, you know, it's just.

It's not glamorous. It's not glamorous.

Rainey: 00:49:32

I remember seeing you in the parking lot one day and you were carrying a piece of art. And I rolled down the window. This is before we were officially friends. Right. And I rolled down the window and you go, isn't this glamorous?

And you're hauling this piece of art. And it's like that piece of art is probably hanging in somebody's exquisite house right now. They have no idea the care that you took.

And transporting it to 120 degree weather. I don't know.

Casey: 00:49:59

That's why it showed up like that.

Rainey: 00:50:00

No.

Casey: 00:50:01

Isn't that so crazy? But yeah, I mean that's it. We are.

Rainey: 00:50:05

We're schleppers.

Casey: 00:50:06

Y But it just changed how I kind of saw how the business was going to be run. Yeah. And before that I had. I do a lot with community and a lot in that area. So I coached children's running and did a lot of stuff with that.

So it was always sort of, you know, 20% of my money would go back to whatever local charity. And so that then it really became the more I work, the more I can do because there's so much need. Right. So all at that same time like.

Rainey: 00:50:36

Building a school building. Yeah.

Casey: 00:50:38

Yep. Had done. Yep. And just more I want to. Yeah, we want to just help that. That's our innate.

I think that's why we go into people's houses and want to make them so fabulous and help them have these lives. So I thought I'm either gonna have to quit my job or get an office. So I got an office. Because you can't quit this job. You know, it's who we are.

Rainey: 00:51:00

And was that a major pivotal point.

Casey: 00:51:02

For you in your career so hard? The boys were actually really supportive. It was.

Rainey: 00:51:07

So were they in high school?

Casey: 00:51:09

They were in high school. So. And for Matt it was harder because you know, having this in this job you can.

I was at every single thing my kids did and still managed our clients around it. So you know, I wasn't nearly as busy as I am now. I couldn't have been. I wouldn't trade that.

But then when they were a little bit more self sufficient. But for him it was a little like. And it's scary. It's a cost. And you know, what if there's a slower month or what if you've always got this overhead?

And so but we did it and couldn't. And here the design center. Same. Looked at another space. It wasn't available. And the Howard who. Howard Sims.

Who's Our realtor here said, well, why don't you look over here? I thought, oh, it's going to be way too expensive. But found a great spot and it worked out. And that's how I met you.

And going into your showroom and kind of feeling still I didn't know because. So then, you know, construction's been my love for all these years, and reimagining spaces and remodels were really it for a long time.

I would love running through neighborhoods in the dark and seeing the lights come on in the kitchens that I had been in and realized that life that was starting every morning. There's something really cool about knowing what your impact was in those spaces. But I needed to learn about soft stuff.

So I learned a lot from your showroom. And you guys were always so gracious. And then here we, you know, here we are.

Rainey: 00:52:33

So why the podcast?

Casey: 00:52:35

There's been multiple ones that I've thought over the years I've wanted to do. I love the. I love the interview process. I love getting right. We like to get to the nuts and bolts of people. But nothing was really fitting.

Like, I don't. It just wasn't. And then we had our other, you know, another idea to do some. Some engagement stuff with, you know, education.

And that's definitely your background. And I would sit there with a pad of paper going, I hope she doesn't notice I haven't written on here or I'm only doodling. I'll start one here.

I don't know what she's talking about is here. Like, you go, oh, my gosh, I need a forensic. Who are those people who analyze handwriting?

Rainey: 00:53:11

A forensic.

Casey: 00:53:12

I don't know, something. Handwriting out analyzing is like murder or something. But so we thought about this and this is. Feels like what we do all day anyways.

We talk to people, we hear about stuff and so.

Rainey: 00:53:24

And maybe give us an audience to be able to help aspiring designers. Right? It's like we don't have anything to hide. We've been there, and it's hard.

Casey: 00:53:35

It is.

Rainey: 00:53:35

And the whole idea is, for me is if we help other designers really covet the opportunity to go into people's homes and protect their dream and make places special. I can only do so many homes. You can only do so many homes.

But if we inspire the next generation to really honor that commitment and take it seriously and help them along the way, then we can help hundreds, maybe thousands more.

Casey: 00:54:04

That's such a good point because it is that trickle down. And so when people feel like they might. Hopefully they'll come to our podcast, they'll listen, they'll take stuff away.

That's not just our personal stuff, but really how we. When there's more meaty stuff to, you know, from the contractor engagement and all of those other things.

It's such a unique industry and we are not all alone, but we are also. A lot of us are solopreneurs, entrepreneurs.

I have, you know, a wonderful associate that works with me, Carrie, and she's backbone and cad and does all these great things and Mariana, who's doing social and she's darling as hell and she creates great content. And then we have all of the back. The vendor people, so. But you feel like you're alone a lot.

Rainey: 00:54:43

Right.

Casey: 00:54:44

And so hopefully this is a landing spot for people and for.

If a client ever finds their way to this for them to maybe hear like, like, oh, so when somebody gave me a bill for $5 for five hours, it was actually 20 hours that that person spent on that couch. They were too afraid to.

Rainey: 00:54:57

They only charged me this because they didn't.

Casey: 00:55:00

Because we want to find the perfect thing, so we will go down that many rabbit holes. But we also recognize the client doesn't necessarily have to pay for, you know, I mean, they.

They should, but it's hard for a client to get their home.

Rainey: 00:55:12

Do you still charge by the hour or are you project based? Yeah, I think we should do a whole podcast on that.

Casey: 00:55:17

Yeah. And the reasons why we.

Rainey: 00:55:19

Yes, I think that that's. That would be really good and maybe really interesting for people to hear about that transition.

So I'm going to ask you like five rapid fire questions.

Casey: 00:55:30

Okay.

Rainey: 00:55:30

Are you ready?

Casey: 00:55:31

Yes.

Rainey: 00:55:32

Your favorite breakfast food.

Casey: 00:55:34

Oh, my gosh.

Rainey: 00:55:35

Smoothie that you make.

Casey: 00:55:37

Yes.

Rainey: 00:55:38

Favorite color.

Casey: 00:55:39

Blue.

Rainey: 00:55:40

Favorite color to wear.

Casey: 00:55:45

A silvery blue.

Rainey: 00:55:46

Oh, okay. Says the aspiring fashion designer.

Casey: 00:55:51

But it's that like, I want to be. Well, it's what I want to dye wrapped in.

Rainey: 00:55:54

Okay.

Casey: 00:55:55

So. Yeah.

Rainey: 00:55:56

Okay, noted. That got dark quick.

Casey: 00:55:59

Really quick.

Rainey: 00:56:00

Favorite flower?

Casey: 00:56:01

Oh, God. Calla lily or peony. They're rivaling tide.

Rainey: 00:56:06

Favorite genre of food?

Casey: 00:56:08

Oh, sushi, Thai, anything kind of.

Rainey: 00:56:13

Yeah, I probably could have guessed that.

Casey: 00:56:14

Okay. Yeah.

Rainey: 00:56:15

I just love you.

Casey: 00:56:16

I just love you. Okay. My rapid fire.

Rainey: 00:56:18

Okay.

Casey: 00:56:19

Favorite drink, alcohol or otherwise. Doesn't just. What do you go for? What's your.

Rainey: 00:56:25

So as you well know, I'm close to a non drinker, but I do love a glass of red wine every now and then. I love water. I know that probably sounds really boring, but I love a glass of water.

Casey: 00:56:37

No. Okay, what is your favorite thing to do fitness wise?

Rainey: 00:56:42

My favorite. I love walks. I love long walks.

Casey: 00:56:46

What is your favorite music to listen to?

Rainey: 00:56:49

80S, baby.

Casey: 00:56:50

Okay.

Rainey: 00:56:51

And tell me that 80s is your favorite music. No.

Casey: 00:56:56

Country.

Rainey: 00:56:56

Oh, yeah.

Casey: 00:56:57

Which is so weird being growing up in California. I got. Got FAA in my ffa. Whatever. Family members.

Rainey: 00:57:04

Yeah.

Casey: 00:57:05

Future Farmers of America.

Rainey: 00:57:06

It's in your bones.

Casey: 00:57:07

It's in my bones. Favorite activity to do.

Rainey: 00:57:11

Favorite activity. I love to read. And I specifically love to read with all three of my wiener dogs in my lap. That is my jam.

Casey: 00:57:21

Into the dogs. Yeah. Okay, well then what's your favorite dog breed? Oh, your wiener dog.

Rainey: 00:57:28

Yeah. Weed or dog? We do. We have three little Focker is 15 and Minnie Cooper is nine and Sadie Girl is seven, so. And you have your puppy.

Casey: 00:57:41

I have Theo. Theo is all we can handle. He is.

Rainey: 00:57:43

He's a piece of work.

Casey: 00:57:44

He's a piece of work.

Rainey: 00:57:45

I love him.

Casey: 00:57:46

He's the reason I was able to name my. The. Yeah. Our nonprofit. Yeah. My border. Collaborating. Because he's just crazy all over the place.

Rainey: 00:57:54

Well, I think that we. Everybody should know more about. Probably more about us than they wanted to know ever.

Casey: 00:57:59

Sorry for that. The emotional stuff, guys.

Rainey: 00:58:01

I loved that you got emotional in my heart because I know you care so much about what we do, so.

Casey: 00:58:08

And I have to say, my parents ultimately got back together after all of that crazy. My dad and my stepmom. So separation. Not everything is, you know, not everything.

Rainey: 00:58:16

I'm so glad you said that, because I was gonna ask you when we were done.

Casey: 00:58:19

So anyways, I was like, oh, my gosh, it took some time, but it was just, you know, having me live with them and maybe my brother made some, you know, changes in their life that they weren't used to and, you know, shifts your mentality, reframes how you think about your stuff.

Rainey: 00:58:33

I like that.

And I hope that we have in some way reframed what people think about what it is to be and become an interior designer, because our paths are vastly different. Well done. So we'd love for you to reach out to us@hello, reframingdesign.com if you have any comments about what you would.

What you've heard or questions, or if you have an idea of what you'd like to hear us talk about, or.

Casey: 00:58:59

You can follow me on Instagram, aynyrichardsoninteriors and me @cassandrabrandinteriors.

And if you have any art that you would like for us to maybe have here in your local Houston designer or artist or even somewhere else and you want to ship it to us. We would love, love to showcase to showcase your art. So share that with us. DM us and we're on Instagram as well.

Rainey: 00:59:27

Yep. And follow us, share us, like us all those things so that we can reach more people. Thank you so much for joining us.

And after this podcast, I'd like for you to sit and ask yourself, is there anything in your life that you would like to reframe? Take care. I love you.

Casey: 00:59:45

Oh, that was awesome.

Outro: 00:59:47

That's a wrap for this episode of the Art of Interior Design. We hope you had a blast and found some inspiration to bring your dream space to life. Feeling inspired to start your own home transformation?

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Until next time, remember, your space is your story. Make it beautiful.